In two weeks of painstaking care we got her to start walking and moving on rugs and grass without issue. 2010 Apr;12(1):537. I think, once his chest is rounded a little , he should be fine. In most cases, pain-relief drugs can resolve this issue. Thank you so much for sharing this! I started searching on line and found coreen's web site. In this instance, the ribcage will be prominently protruding and a little too odd. she has been passed around by many familys and the owner said if she doesnt find a home she will put her down :( the problem is misty has a hard time walking she will walk for a bit than stop and limps. They are maturing normally but their body functions are not. Also, If you could provide me with a way of sending you pictures I would love for you to post them on your web site along with our information. Are there litter mates to compare this pup with?Ill help you any way I can but I need to understand whats happening. Vizslas. she is undoubtably a swimmer :( I've done something like a helper, a rounded piece of plastic (I cannot find an elastic sock!!!) The Bulldog Club of America also has excellent information on the swimming puppy. Removing him from the litter and putting him on his side (you might try the basket/box method) is also a great idea.I would give it a while - perhaps even a week or so - to 'sink in' with your pup. window.open(x, 'largeimage','menubar=yes,status=no,scrollbars=yes,toolbar=no,resizable=yes,width=800,height=700,left=50,top=50'); 2. Dobermans. He doesn't move around, we have to pick him up to put himoutside, put him in front of his food, and he hobbles to his doggie bed. I really didnt believe that she could be cured, but after about 3 days she was up and walking and is now running and playing with her brothers. It sounds like the sock was either too tight or it made the pup too hot. Hi Thank you so much for sharing your helpful knowledge. I will be taking them all to vets for their 4 week check soon but in the meantime I don't know what to do with her. Be sure his front legs are drawn in under his body to help support his weight (see the photos of Fudge) and get him to lay on his side as much as possible. Although they can show up anywhere, mainly you'll see them in the rib area. Each pup will need his own box. A moderate variation of the caudal sternebrae, a difference in the cardiac shape, and small lung parenchymal pathology are usually present on the chest x-rays. Stimulate: Those paw pads need stimulation! It was a stretchy rib-knit mans t-shirt I cut to size. Flat chests and sunken chests in dogs manifest the same disease. Finally two weeks after his arrival I build a "canyon" a little wider than the puppy with some wood boards and an antislip surface that is normally used beneath carpets to avoid people to slip in the carpet.That made him to stand up as the walls of the canyon didn't allow him to splay out his limbs to the side. Thank you for updating all of us on the success of your pup. If so how? Please let me know if you have any more questions!LabMama, I have a three and half week old lab who is a swimmer. Great Danes. God bless you for trying! I would like to try the t-shirt and foam harness, but if I use the foam on the chest, will that not push the rib case further in? Carole, that is wonderful news! The human rib cage is made up of 12 paired rib bones; each are symmetrically paired on a right and left side. Ally, none of these photos show her in a swimmer position, so its hard to tell but if you are getting her to sleep on her side, thats a good thing. I just found your blog so I would like a little help with the fact that it's only the back legs. Strict cage rest means: Only moving around when absolutely necessary- even food and water should be brought to the dog No playing No going on walks No going up and down stairs No jumping up and down furniture Luckily, with enough strongly enforced rest, many dogs will be able to make a full recovery and return to life as before. Dogs with pectus carinatum should not be bred. Hi LabMama,I'm back again to say thank you for your reply. Keep us posted, okay Best of luck! Youll have to help your pup to swallow food or milk by propping her up after eating and gently rubbing the belly to prevent regurgitation. As mentioned, sling suspension helps the pup to get her paws on the ground, but you can also use a toothbrush to tickle those nerves and increase tactile sensation. The thoracic x-rays are the best way to identify whether the dog has pectus excavatum. All dogs have floating ribs, as I mentioned before. But whats attached to the bones in those parts? Anyway I tried almost every method I found on your web and Coreen's. by VomMarischal on 04 January 2010 - 20:01. If his littermates wiggle and squirm but one pup lays limp, there is cause for concern. I hope we never have to go through it again, but if we do, we now have so much knowledge on the subject. He seems to get more active each day, he manages to not dirty himself by getting up and peeing/pooping, his appetite is much better, though hes still half the size of his siblings and he sits on on his hind as much as he can. Thats what causes a decrease in pulmonary and cardiac capacity. Once they begin walking, even if they're unsteady, the worst is over. righting reflex, which is an instinctive knowledge of position. The two first born natural have survived. The male even walks without the harness now. The most commonly affected site is the nasal cavity, although the ribs, pelvis, long bones of the limbs, and non-skeletal sites have also been reported to be involved. As it is, she is once again a healthy, strong puppy.Julia, Hi, first of all I'm sorry for my english that is not my natural language. She is bringing her back legs forward and underneath her a little now too but they seem very weak. Thanks again for posting all the help! All the best to you and your fur babies! If his hind legs are splayed, you may be able to *fix* him with a bit of surgical tape by wrapping it around the back legs. If you have the patience to work with him every day, you just might save his life. Apply a warm or cold compress to the affected area. he is doing great now. I live in France and the disease here is more or less unknown so seeing a vet will not do any good. Thus, crawling or resting, the front legs dont properly support the chest which allows the whelps weight to flatten the sternum and spread the rib cage. At this age, you may be able to simply hobble the front legs with a bit of surgical tape. i am off to make some t shirts, they are 4 weeks today. I hope you are having success with the tips we've posted here, Marilyn. hey. Did they break their bones, or are they sick? The veterinarians instructed the owner to squeeze both sides of their chest simultaneously. Chondrosarcoma is the second most common primary bone tumor in the dog, accounting for 5-10% of primary bone tumors in dogs. Sophisticated testing may be needed to determine whether the whelp actually suffers a defect in the Linda here again. As you may already know, the pectus excavatum condition in dogs can be progressive. Im thrilled to hear your success story; thanks for sharing it! Any pharmacy should have some brand of it.Position the pup on its side and straighten the hind legs down and away from the belly in a typical standing position. I used the rig for several days and it did not help with making him lay on his stomach at all. Brachycephalic puppies have elonged soft palates (soft tissue positioned at the end of the roof of the mouth). If you have any more questions, please post here again. It's egg Expert's Assistant chat If the hind legs ARE splayed, it is easy to 'hobble' them with a bit of surgical tape to force the pup on his side for a few days until he becomes accustomed to it.I also had great success with the basket technique. He is small, the vet estimated he would be 15 lb full grown. Thank you. And when you compare it to the rest of the other bones. #6: What is the difference between a floating- and a broken rib? Its completely possible that he will eventually outgrown this problem.Best of luck,Lab Mama. Long story short, two days into this and we are now laying on our side, and are scooting with our back legs under us now. If your lovely puppy is a breed of this kind, make sure that you check for pectus excavatum symptoms. The most frequent chest deformity in dogs is pectus excavatum. So if floating ribs arent dangerous for dogs. We had another little girl who seemed to be fading but we have worked night and day to save her and now at 3 weeks she is finally getting better. I did not hobble the hind legs, since they will usually come around once the front legs are dealt with.It will take a few days for your boy to lay on his side alone. I have searched the web for over a week & have finally found this place.could this be swimmers or something worse?Please help me I am so worried!Julie, Julie, you're definitely in the right place.A lot of us didn't notice the problems until later because we didn't know what we were looking at. Puppy x-rays are the most commonly utilized diagnostic imaging method in the veterinary industry. I always find him sleeping on his stomach and then I have to turn him over. I have no pictures of the hobble tape technique because I didnt use it with Fudge, but I will try to describe it well enough for you to do it yourself. I live in Bendigo, Central Victoria, Australia. He has always had problems from birth with breathing and we put down another littermate because he was not doing well, gasping for breath, couldn't keep bdy temp up, vet did x ray and though there was a defect in his diaphram and told me he couldn't be saved. Chondrosarcoma is most commonly seen in middle-aged . Swimming will help strengthen muscles without added pressure on the joints. And in other cases, they cant even sit due to the pain. There are other options that can be tried (easier than the foam-and-shirt method) if you are still having issues at about the two week mark. I also massaged her legs and the bottom of her back.Thank you so much! Do you think she needs them taping or shall i let her try ro strengthen them for a few days and see if time improves the issue? Hi- I have a 5 month old female Bernese Mountain dog I rescued through our breeder. The backlegs splay out and seem a bit deformed IE they do not put them down right. Im happy you were able to find help here. Pectus carinatum (pigeon breast) is a chest bone and rib disfigurement causing the chest to bow outwards into a point instead of a curve. I know you said it may take awhile for it to sink in and I don't mind the wait or the work I am just worried that I will miss something I was supposed to do and my babies will pay for it. I have a 6 month old cocker spaniel swimmer puppy that can barely walk, is very inactive, and has to be picked up and carried outside, and taken out of his crate each day. The minimal extent that a brace must stay in position to cause lasting changes in the dogs breastbone is unknown. His front legs appear strong and he does not have breathing problems although his ribs are very widely sprung out and flattened.I put a sock on him with cosmetic sponges on his stomach and I hobbled his hind legs. Is there anything else we can do and is there hope? Her chest is flat and is breathing faster as compare with other puppies. Ellison G, Halling KB. Thank you! Unfortunatly my vet had never heard of it, so for 90.00 I had to inform HER of how people were splinting using the tshirt method. Symptoms and signs often associated with barrel chest include: 2. A normally rounded chest can begin to flatten within hours of birth but may go undetected in a large litter. PLease advise..ThanksDiane, Hi,I have a swimmer puppy whose hind legs are affected. Keep your puppy on a non-slippery surface, so she can practice standing without falling about. I have a beautiful 3 week old cocker spaniel girl with this problem. I am so thankful for the information you shared. Use a length of surgical tape to pull her back legs together into a normal position; this will force her to lay on her side. And it acts as the pillar that supports the rest of the rib cage. The last pair of ribs is the floating ribs that bulge out. I am using a make up sponge under her belly. It helped tremendously.I'm sure it's much more difficult with an entire litter affected, but remember it will be over in a few weeks and you will have happy, healthy pups. This morning she was able to stay on 4 legs and at by herself even if when tries to walk, she goes down. I think I might have realized part of my problem. In: Wikipedia [Internet]. He will quickly learn to use his legs to turn over and it helps build the muscles.Please let me know if you have more questions; I'll help you any way I can.LabMama, hi. One has started walking, still little wobbly but walking. When a kitten is flat chested they often suffer from another condition known as pectus excavatum (PE) which is . Do they move too fast upon touching? See how the foam is wedged against his leg from shoulder to elbow? because I was so happy. I am sooo happy, I know she has a long way to go, but she is on the road to recovery. Also known as pectus galinatum, this condition occurs rarely in dogs, but when it does it's obvious in puppyhood. PLEASE do not harness the puppies yet; nine days old is much too young. Thanks also for giving us information about the disease.dog beds. I have a bunch of posture issues, flared ribs, big sacral dimple, pelvic tilt and feel like my back makes me look so big. Mandie, I'm so happy to be able to help. If you are feeding your babies solid foods, you may have to remove the rig for 'chow time' and put it back on afterwards.Every night, I removed the 'rig' and held him on my lap for his massage sessions. Stiffness. His front legs have always been right out in front of him as he pulled himself around. We are not giving up though! Tomorrow I will take to the vet as well, but she will be never put to sleep!! Contents A Lump on a Dog's Rib Cage 1) Lipoma Lump on a Dog's Rib Cage 2) Result of Trauma 3) Soft Tissue/Skin Growths 4) Rib Bone Cancer in Dogs This forces the pup to remain laying on its side and to really work those front legs if it wants to try sitting/standing. This syndrome leads to a deformation in their limbs, beginning with the hind limbs. The patient was a cream-coloured, two-year-old male shorthaired crossbreed named Buddy. As a tip, you can also try to look at the bone anatomy of a dogs rib cage. Are all four legs splayed? I am also going to look for a basket his size.thanksI, My heath melted when I saw the puppy suffering in that kind of sickness. SSI Watch him each time he nurses to be sure he stays on his side. In addition, he eats much less compared to the others as well, the pups are still nursing from their mother. the right decision. True swimmer pups never do this, so that is another possible clue.Has her status changed since Friday? After carefull examination, her chest was completly flat and she was wet in her lungs when auscultated. Gentle tapping of the swelling just behind the last rib often produces hollow, drum-like sounds. A little background.. I have looked at all the options for dogs who dont walk, but I want to give him every oppertunity to learn that skill before I give in to carts and the home modifications that would come with that. These bones . :-)LabMama (aka Grammy Cracker), hi there we have a litter of three cocker,s 1 has swimmers i have made your rig and she is now lying on her side fingers crossed this works thank god for your web site many thanks mandie bagshaw14/4/09. Ill do anything I can to help you. I can't find any picture on the internet. Hi.Jo back hereSome good news. I'll do what I can to help you. She wears it day and night, though I have a spare one, so one can go in the wash. That was about a week ago and now she is walking very well and everything seems to have gone back in place. It shouldnt take more than a few days for the pup to start adjusting and doing it on his own.Best of luck to you; post again if you need anything else. Interesting article, added his blog to Favorites. She had become like a crab, with her chest compressed and her legs splayed horizontally, like a skydiver. Hi Jaye,I actually have something quite similar with two pups of mine (almost four weeks old). Practice makes perfect.Please let us know how your boy is doing, and good luck.~LabMama, Hi, I have a litter of only 2 staffy pups & just realized yesterday that the boy is a swimmer. I do notice that most of the puppies that people are posting about are older than mine. I have pictures of what I used on the post. So, without much competition for feeding, we have 3 VERY fat little pups! Exaggerated lowness interferes with the desired freedom of movement and should be penalized. hi my name is chris and my aussie just had a litter of 5 about 15 days ago im a little scared because all of them are healthy and growing fast but one of the pups is just a little smaller and his ribs seem to be wider than the other pups and he has trouble breathing at times and has a different whine than the others as well almost like a baby cry what can i do to help this pup out without spending lots of money at the vet? the problem is with his hind legs. Using the self-sticking first aid tape is great because it wont stick to the fur and you can cut it easily for length and width.How is your pup doing now? Find a SQUARE basket, box, etc. The problem I'm having is when I put him on his side, he starts breathing fast and rapidly and panting like he's having a harder time breathing on his sides. Barbara J. Andrews, Publisher TheDogPlace.org. Thank you! He is only two weeks old and still pretty small. Waist. Hi, I have a litter of Bichon cross terrier. It is a normal thing and sometimes a congenital effect. I greatly improved my deformity non-surgically. Our puppies seem to 'flop' around a lot, almost as if their neck is not very strong. The ribs don't curve in the normal way but curve back outwards again. Should I still worry about him laying on his stomach? High levels of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream. I don't know if I did it correctly because they seem the be in agony with the jacket on. Earlier this week I had made a johnny jump up type thing (without the spring) for him that hangs in the door way. He just cant compete with his siblings as hes not that flexible and gets pushed off. Even if the legs are in an odd position or they splay out when lying down, if the pups can stand up and try to walk, they do NOT have swimmer puppy syndrome. Most dogs have round chests that are not tall enough or short enough to be deep or barrel chests. You won't have to intervene unless they never do that.Any 'flatness' the pups have will correct as soon as they start sitting and walking. Environmental factors are also of debate. He turns around in a sure basket and absolutely doesn't stay on his sides, no matter what. His rib cage will gradually round out and his legs will get stronger and straighter. The big story is in the newspaper! He's walking around alittle now with absolutely no problems. Thankfully being school holidays my son was able to take over and keep her on her side and make sure the other pups didn't untie her vest, great fun for them. 05th October 2019 Flat chested kittens, characterised by a dorsoventral flattening of the rib cage, are well recognised by breeders but are not well reported in the veterinary literature. Hi, I've just saved my 4 week old spaniel puppy, thanks to your wonderful t-shirt method. Hi I am a rottie breeder and have a litter of 8 beautiful healthy pups, they are gaining weight at the expected rate and are drinking well on their mother. Help!

Hi LabMama

I'm a small lab breeder and I got three weeks ago a litter with only one puppy.

It was the first time for me, so I didn't know that's the puppy will get so fat, but he also has a flat chest and I think he is a swimmer. Any thoughts on what else I can do to help him gaincontrol of his back legs, and strengthen the muscles,would begreatly appreciated. The debate then is whether thats because fewer calories are expended in struggling for a teat Think of them much like a human pimple. The basket/box hobble might help your girl out, too. Let him sleep with his mom at night. puppy moves with legs splayed out to the side in what has been compared to a swimmers breast stroke. I will contact Coreen. External splinting for treatment of pectus excavatum in a dog with right ventricular outflow obstruction. It helps give others hope that they will be successful, too.Best wishes. Rottweilers Royal: I'm glad you fought for your pup and found a method that worked for you! Lee Ann, Im not sure why you want to do this. DOG CAGE PUPPY PET CRATE CARRIER METAL 2 DOOR EASY ASSEMBLY FLAT FOLDING TRAVEL. In most tetrapods, ribs surround the chest, enabling the lungs to expand and thus facilitate breathing by expanding the chest cavity. But thanks again for all your help, This is EXCELLENT news! You can get some inspiration from Starfish! Fudge didn't gag but he did have restricted breathing. $30.15. sometimes they push there legs out to the side but for the most part they have them under them.I have put an egg crate in the box and turned the heat off I make them crawl and rub there legs . In dogs with pectus carinatum, the manubrium comes to a point rather than curving. Is that the right way or should he stay on his stomach for some time?Regards from Iceland!YMH, Ylfamist, your story is too familiar; this is such a common and universal condition and even many veterinarians don't know what to do. Normally in CT strays are give 5-7 days depending on the pound. Surgical correction of pectus excavatum, using external splintage in two dogs and a cat. He has been walking for a few days now. And do they feel too loose? Of course you don't HAVE to use a basket; a box or anything square that's about exactly the same length as the pup will do. I have started trying to use a sock but she seems to cry more. Pet owners may pet or groom their dog to suddenly feel a hard lump on their dog that they have not felt before. It makes a big difference to have some one who understands. I work for a rescue and I have never come across such a desperate case. Then fur parents shouldnt have a reason to worry about a floating rib. There is also a chance the protrusion may indicate a serious issue. Viewed from above, the body should taper slightly to end of loin. your little lab boy looks wonderfull, well done for giving him the time he needed.I will keep you posted.RegardsBev Carter www.bevians.co.uk. Four months after the surgery, the veterinarians decided to do echocardiography. Since your girl is not walking at all, lets give the hobbled legs a day or two and see if that doesnt help resolve the issue. Floating rib injuries are caused, in part, by a vulnerability in human anatomy. The puppy is unable to stand or walk by three weeks of age; Because the chest flattens, the heart and other organs are pushed up into the pleural cavity. They could be fatty deposits in the skin or a fatty tumor. I have read all of this info aswell as other sites & it seems that my boy has a problem with both front & back legs, both are splayed. A dog can have a deep chest, a barrel chest, or a round chest, depending on the shape of their rib cage.

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